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| Topic Started: May 3 2008, 08:14:44 PM (741 Views) | |
| LittleOne | May 3 2008, 08:14:44 PM Post #1 |
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Just found out this morning that our baby (our dog PJ) failed her Lepto test to come into the Oz. Our pet relocation company said that this would be the case because dogs in the US are vaccinated for Lepto, so it is still in her system... But when you fail it the first time you have to be under 1.80 and than the second time, even more under 1.80. PJ was right at 1.80. We were informed that we may have to start the whole procedure over again since she will most likely not be able to leave within 30 days of all of her other required testing. We are crushed. We were hoping she would be here on May 14th and then 30 days in quarantine, picking her up on June 14th, a day before her 4th birthday. UGH! The only good thing is...she is with my inlaws in Florida playing with their dogs and swimming every day... Still so sad though! Has anyone else had this problem ever??? Will the Lepto leave her system so she can come??? |
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| shylady | May 3 2008, 09:31:45 PM Post #2 |
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:(( Sorry PJ didn't pass her tests :hugs: and I told you earlier it'll be SO much better when she gets here, and now she's delayed :eek: I would need more details on what Lepto test was actually done, at what laboratory, and the titers, and dates of her last DHLP, etc. :headscratch: "dogs in the US are vaccinated for Lepto," yes, but most of them don't flunk the blood-test to move to Oz, which makes me wonder if it's an active infection? I dunno :hugs: But something's not right, here  I wish I could help :(( Lisa in Perth |
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| LittleOne | May 3 2008, 11:39:43 PM Post #3 |
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This is what AQUIS says about Lepto Leptospirosis – Your dog needs to produce a negative result by means of a microscopic agglutination test to be eligible for import. These results need to read less than 50% agglutination at a serum dilution of 1:100. Dogs record a result of more than 1:100 but less than 1:800 can be re-tested 14 days or more after the first test. These second results must also show a titre result of less than 1:800. Dogs that record a result of 1:800 or more are ineligible for import. Note: Vaccination against Leptospirosis is not recommended within 6 months of export, as your pet’s high antibody response will most likely result in it being ineligible for export to Australia. PJ was given her lepto shot at her last annual appointment which was in Oct. Shouldn't her levels be below 1:800? How would we know if the Lepto was active? We started her quarantine process in Dec.... I'm so confused... Our pet mover says that this won't be an issue, we just have to wait a few more weeks and do all of her tests over again.... UGH |
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| Ratfan | May 4 2008, 07:31:02 PM Post #4 |
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Little One- Just dealing with this now. Here's what I know.Hope it helps. If your dog tests positive,correct you are it's probably from a previous vaccination.Just like when we were all kids and given various booster shots. Your vet or pet relo company should have explained (sorry if they did and I misunderstood your post) The pet should be tested again the positive result. The level CAN NOT have risen.If it is [size=7]the same [/size]or less...the pet does not have an active Lepto situation.This is only showing the vaccine level in the serum. If the level rises, pet needs treatment A positive first test does not require intervention from a vet. The fact that the level is the same should not mean an active infection. WHo are you using? One of the bad companies I did not go with said there was a huge treatment plan and steps to take if anyone failed the first test...MAde me terrified...This was a big lie and an attempt to get more money out of me and it very much had me upset.It's not the $$ but the emotional terrorism.You feel helpless and rely on them to guide you through.They know if you're writing them a blank check and doing as told and trusting them entirely...you can be scared into doing whatever they say. They second bad company said there is a second re=test . Then if the level of Lepto rises...go to plan B. Third competent company ..same. Positive result=test2 and if the Lepto level has NOT gone UP any...fine to export. Rise in level. Plan B. Both of the last 2 were not Vet + relo company rolled into one...nothing to gain by complication.No reason to scare you.Nothing to gain. . Pm me if you have any further questions. |
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| shylady | May 4 2008, 07:38:04 PM Post #5 |
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Ratfan is correct, that's why the re-test if the titer is high the first time, if it increases it indicates active infection. So no doubt she's just got VERY good immunity from her vaccination, and since that was just over 6 months ago, it should go down further, especially since it was less on the second test. HOPEFULLY SOON! :hugs: Lisa |
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| LittleOne | May 4 2008, 07:48:32 PM Post #6 |
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I'm confused... She tested Positive 1:800, so, should she still have her re-test? Or does she have to wait and start the process all over again??? We love our pet relocation company... My mother in law relayed this message to me, not our pet mover... calling my pet mover on monday |
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| Ratfan | May 4 2008, 07:56:51 PM Post #7 |
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I don't know who yu are using so I have nothing against them.Sorry if it sounded like that.Very happy to hear ou love them and are happy with them. They get 1 test. If they are positive, they must be re-tested. If the level rises from what the first reading was, they assume active lepto situation and further intervention is needed. On the second test- If the level is the same(Did nt rise) it is because of the previous vaccination and is not consideres an infection and they are cleared for import. The only way they can flunk is a second re-test shows a higher level than the first reading . Hope that helped. I had to ask my representatative this repeatedly as I got fuzzy information from many different sources. |
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| shylady | May 4 2008, 08:20:56 PM Post #8 |
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I think I'd believe AQIS, and if she tested 1:800 she needs to be re-tested, and hopefully it will be lower. |
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| LittleOne | May 4 2008, 08:39:18 PM Post #9 |
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I understand what you are both saying but look what AQIS says: Leptospirosis – Your dog needs to produce a negative result by means of a microscopic agglutination test to be eligible for import. These results need to read less than 50% agglutination at a serum dilution of 1:100. Dogs record a result of more than 1:100 but less than 1:800 can be re-tested 14 days or more after the first test. These second results must also show a titre result of less than 1:800. Dogs that record a result of 1:800 or more are ineligible for import. See this is what is confusing.... ' Dogs record a result of more than 1:100 but less than 1:800 can be re-tested 14 days or more after the first test.' the way i understand it is that she would have had to of had a result between those amounts to get retested... I don't think they can get retested until she shows a negative testing, and she was positive... Our pet relocation company is Animal Land Pet Movers out of Georgia... have you heard of them??? |
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| Ratfan | May 4 2008, 10:26:17 PM Post #10 |
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I'm not a qualified vet or even an expert. I just had to educate myself because of the conflicting information I was given by professionals whose business is pet moving/export/import. The titre test is for rabies antibody. This is the first one done.The animals are eligible for export in 5 months with one month in AqisQuarantine. I had to have all of my pets re-vaccinated for rabies then wait 3 weeks before doing the rabies titre test to avoid different result levels of rabies antibody showing up causing possible issue. They were previously all current but done a few months apart as it gets expensive to bring 5 pets in for an annual exam/vaccination round. The bloodwork that is mainly looking for the Lepto is done 1 month before export. The animal will show some lepto if vaccinated in the past against it. They do not fail the test unless the second test shows elevated levels from the first one. Your shipper should have someone available to explain this to you in detail. Hopefully the level will not rise and is probably the result of you being a responsible pet owner and protecting your dog from all that you could.I never even heard of Lepto until 6 months ago when this came up.The whole reason you are forced to use a profesional company is precisely for cases like this. The government rules are clearly defined. After reading the Aqis statement on it,I don't know how animals are imported with stable lepto antibody levels showing not an infection but an immunity to lepto,but they do.My shipper explained this to me.I was very upset.Now I understand it and am patiently waiting on results. I am sure your company will be able to reassure you on this. Sending good thoughts your way hoping you get to celebrate her 4 th together there. |
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| LittleOne | May 4 2008, 10:47:03 PM Post #11 |
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Thanks Ratfan...I'm emailing my pet mover now... fingers and toes crossed PLEASE! |
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| MegaMegs | May 5 2008, 04:16:32 AM Post #12 |
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Good luck LittleOne! :goodonya: My pet mover explained the process as RatFan did- if they test positive, they just need a second test showing it's not going up in levels. It is all so confusing. What do ya all think-with all the pet people on this site shipping their pets- we could start our own service!! But then again, I don't think I would want to be the one on the other end working with someone neurotic like me!!  Anyone working with or know anything about Pet Express in San Fran? They're the ones I'm using and having good luck with so far and have been very accessible and great, but we're not shipping out until August so I'm knocking on wood as I write this  Meg |
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| Ratfan | May 5 2008, 12:43:47 PM Post #13 |
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That's who I am using Meg. They were the best so far. My husband said the same thing.They need someone on call 24/7 so people like little one and me before I found they didn't have to wait 24/48 hours for an answer. A few times I was feeling sick not knowing if all would be fine. |
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| shylady | May 5 2008, 02:14:47 PM Post #14 |
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Sounds like an excellent pet mover! :goodonya: I AM a vet. And I've also HAD Lepto, myself (occupational hazard :mrgreen: ). If she had an active infection, she'd be a very sick puppy. As a vet, I would wait at least 2 weeks from the first Lepto test and re-test her. Sorry if I confused anyone by called the Lepto results a titer(titre), but it IS one, as is the Rabies antibody test. I've had to run hundreds of serum-agglutination laboratory tests myself, and BELIEVE me, there is definitely such a thing as "laboratory ERROR." Which is why another test is warranted, anyway, and why I asked what lab it was sent to. Just my 2c  Lisa |
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| rhimb | May 5 2008, 02:29:58 PM Post #15 |
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I think I had the same issue with Pepper when we were getting our dogs ready to be brought over in 2006. I'll have a look at her lab results when I get home tonight and check things out. I remember she had to be re-tested for something, but it's been almost two years ago, so I can't remember exactly what it was for. I just recall being very frantic with worry, and everything ended up working out fine... thank goodness!! |
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| shylady | May 5 2008, 04:58:44 PM Post #16 |
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:rolleyes: figures it was Pepper :rofl: Us fat ol girls have super immune systems :rollin: |
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| rhimb | May 5 2008, 07:16:35 PM Post #17 |
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Of course, Pepper is my little problem child!!! Never a dull moment with her around.
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| LittleOne | May 5 2008, 07:43:55 PM Post #18 |
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Hi Everyone- I just want to thank you ALL so much for all of your help and support... It's been a tough few days knowing that we won't be getting our girl when we thought. Here is what happened today: Our Pet Mover and I both spoke with AQIS and It's true... because PJ's Lepto test came back POS 1:800 she needs to start the Lepto test process over again. In saying this...she has to have two more Lepto tests which will make her go outside the 30 day window of time that she has to be imported into Australia. We were told by AQIS that we could apply for an additional 15 days to buy us more time. The extension is $71 AUD. Who knows if she will pass in that 15 day period - we can only keep our fingers and toes crossed. If she doesn't pass in that time frame, then we have to start the testing process over again.... Please wish us luck! |
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| Ratfan | May 6 2008, 12:58:28 AM Post #19 |
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OMG you had Lepto? You must really love animals...how many days did you have to spend in quarantine? Was your dog as worried about you as much as you worried? seriously, I have heard it's awful stuff. I am just unfortunately being forced to figure all of this out due to so much conflicting information coming from 'official' sources I'm supposed to have confidence in. I wouldn't know a titre test if I had to take one myself...I don't mean to sound like a smartypants know it all..I only know they're sepaate and had to try to make sense of it all. What I understood is that dogs have to wait 14 days as you said shylady for a new test. If they count back from the date of PJ's blood draw for that test she may already be eligible for the new one to clear her. Good luck |
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| lilhermiejobo | May 7 2008, 12:55:29 AM Post #20 |
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A buddy of mine has a red-nosed pitbull and I've been friends with the family for several years (grew up together) and they've mentioned the possibility of giving me one of the puppies from his next litter to keep as a sentimental addition to my new family. I've been told that this can be extremely harmful for a newborn puppy... anyone have any experience with this? Also, I've heard I would have to apply for a "dangerous animal license". I've never even heard of such a thing... I don't think I'll be able to accept their offer which is sad but maybe if I were able to have some light shed on the situation I could figure something out before its too late and I'm off to see the wizard. |
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