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| ETA or Visitor type visa ?; just wondering | |
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| Topic Started: May 5 2008, 04:37:13 AM (1,872 Views) | |
| lonnieg | May 5 2008, 04:37:13 AM Post #1 |
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which do you think would be better if i were going to austrailia to secretly get married ? just an ETA or some type of visa ? the ETA is only $75 so that sounds good but anywho i'm just trying to find the fastest way to get to my girls and i'm in a tight spot here in the US unemployment is rising prices on everything is getting higher and no jobs thats not good. homelife ain't to hot either but hey i'm getting off the point as ya'll say no worries right. ok. ttyl ladies and genltemen lonnieg has left the building! lol |
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| JenbeTas | May 5 2008, 08:26:40 AM Post #2 |
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I don't think you are going to find many here that will condone this sort of thing because it's illegal. I know, many have done it but if you get caught, your world will be flipped upside down and any plans you had on living here will be out the window. It's better to be safe than sorry. I would suggest your lady go to the US, marry there and then apply for the spouse visa for you to live in Australia. Otherwise, you need to apply for prospective spouse visa to come directly to Australia. I am not picking on you so I do apologise if it seems that way. I'm telling you this because we got married while my husband was in America on a B2 tourist visa and because they didn't believe that we had no intention of marrying (and we really didn't...it just turned out that way), the immigration officer was very close to starting deportation proceedings. It's just not worth mucking around with. Being patient and doing it properly is MUCH SAFER. It's just that if you show up on an ETA and they suspect that you are planning on getting married and staying, they can slap you with a ban that can last for a few years or permanently. Simply put, going on one type of visa with other intentions is illegal and they really don't like it very much. Again, I would suggest exploring the legal options. |
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| canaussie | May 5 2008, 08:55:48 AM Post #3 |
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I'm one of the ones that doesn't agree with going on a tourist visa and getting married, when that is your intention. Its sneaky and underhanded...and something I just don't agree with. Call it my 'morals'...thats how I am. Also, maybe because I did the 'legal' way and applied for the prospective spouse visa. Did all the paperwork at home (in Canada), submitted it and had it approved in 1 day and had the visa put in my passport and off I went....knowing that I did everything right and honest. And more important the government knew. I wouldn't have wanted to do anything on the sly only to maybe have it turn and bite me in the arse down the road. Just my 2 cents. |
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| JenbeTas | May 5 2008, 09:12:41 AM Post #4 |
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Canaussie is right because you wouldn't want to get caught and then NEVER be allowed in Australia. It DOES happen. We aren't picking on you. We are just telling you how VERY wrong things can go. I know people do it all the time but I personally wouldn't want to take the risk. We understand how badly you want to be together. Heaps of us here have been through the same situation. Shylady had a long distance relationship for years before she was able to finally make the move. I had to send my husband and daughter on to Tassie whilst I had to wait behind on my visa for four months. You really need to be patient and do it properly. We just can not stress on what a bad idea it is to enter on one visa with other intentions. |
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| lonniegsgirl | May 5 2008, 09:42:46 AM Post #5 |
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hi im lonnies fiance and it seems you are all right see i just thought we could get married here as easy as what it is there in usa and no he or i would never think you were picking on us everyone here is only talking from what they know and thats more then us we have just started so my question is then if he was to come here on a holiday can we get married? i mean if he was stoped at the airport and asked why he was here could he tell the truth coz we dont want to do the wrong thing at all coz i know if i go there to usa we can freely do that is it just harder to do it im au? see we have always thought i would go there marry him then apply for the visa so this new idea to save time and money was him come here we get married then he can go home and apply for his visa then but it seems it works different if he come here i had no idea well thanks everyone for your help it means a lot |
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| lonniegsgirl | May 5 2008, 09:47:08 AM Post #6 |
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oh one more thing can he just come here for 30 days without a visa like i could to go to usa for 30 days on a holiday and get married why im there could it work the same other way around? ps im sure i could find this out easy but since i was already here lol sorry |
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| (kolohe) | May 5 2008, 10:44:23 AM Post #7 |
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I think some people from the USA dont know ( as I didnt ) when they come here it is frowned upon to marry on a toursit visa but then again that was not in my plans either at the time. When I left Hawaii, I actually thought I would be leaving Australia after the three months of the ETA like before when I was here, only this time instead of going back to the USA, I would be going to Guam to wait until we decided where and when we could get married. He was going through a seemingly never ending divorce. I was a bit concerned however that I would try my best to say away from the brown tree snake over in Guam that sometimes roam into peoples houses lol. We did know he was my fiancee but we did not know if we would marry in Hawaii or Guam or Australia nor when. I was at first hoping we would get married in Hawaii actually as my husband loves to take pictures and Hawaii is picturesque. I wanted us to tour the island and maybe go over to Kauai or Maui. We could have stayed in a hotel in a deal and I could have gotten kama' aina rates on some things while we were there. Some of my friends from the Marshall Islands and Samoa wrote on a piece of paper where I should go and such, island wise. In fact I recently ran into those little pieces of paper so I may still have them. I decided on Guam and called gee I think it was the airport in Guam to find what airline goes to Perth from Guam and found only continental went and only to the NT. Guam is closer to Perth than Hawaii lol. I also called I think it was the mayors office as well for info on places to stay. They were very kind and helpful. They told me which cities would be better for me under the situation. I also was online at Guams site checking that out. The divore came through and we did marry here in Australia. Once we were married, we talked about whether I should go to Guam if Australia sent me out of the country and it was then I had decided I would go to Guam or stay with one of my kids until it all got worked out. But so far I have been able to stay here and I am thankful to the government of Australia for that. Those options are still on the table for me if I did have to go. |
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| JenbeTas | May 5 2008, 12:13:45 PM Post #8 |
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I'm a bit confused. Where are you planning on living together? America or Australia? It would be great if you could clarify that bit for us.  I'm sorry but you are terribly mistaken on how "easy" it is to do this in America. It's not easy in either place. Some just get lucky. Regardless of which country you are going to live, in neither one of them is it legal to do what you are talking about doing. Both of them will turn you around on your heels. And as my husband and I learned with US immigration, 18 months later, they can STILL kick you out. Yes,....at our interview for his green card 18 months after he'd been in the US, the immigration officer didn't believe he never intended on marrying me and started to get the paperwork out to send him packing. I am not kidding. The only thing that saved us was our daughter, which, the immigration officer hadn't bothered to notice that we had together. What you need to do is investigate getting the proper visa for your situation. Which country are you going to live in? Are you going to live in Australia? Then maybe you should apply for a prospective spouse visa. If you are wanting to get married in America but will be living in Australia, well, I'm not sure how that works. I would assume you will have to prove your ties to Australia and prove that you will not be staying in the US on a permanent basis. If you do that, then you can get married in America and wait out the visa to Australia but if your 90 days runs out before his visa is granted, you are going home without him. Same thing in reverse except the US immigration process is a very lengthy NIGHTMARE. I for one will NEVER go through that again. You won't wait 2, 3, or 4 months for your green card to be granted. You will wait 18 months to 3+ years (some are waiting longer than that even). |
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| TerritorianTori | May 5 2008, 12:24:54 PM Post #9 |
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But kolohe, there's a big difference between what you did and what we're talking about in this thread. You came to Australia for a visit and ended up getting married. You didn't plan it that way, it just happened. So there are options for people in that situation. :hugs: However, to come to Australia (or the US for that matter) on the pretense of being a tourist but intending to do something very different is illegal. When you arrive in Australia, you fill out that little incoming passenger card and it asks you what the purpose of your stay is. If you say you're a tourist but you're really planning to stay, you are essentially lying to the Australian government and they can absolutely deport you if they find out. So I guess my point is, it's all about your intentions. Longtime members of YDU already know how I feel about this subject, so I'll spare y'all my usual sermon :mrgreen: ... but yeah, I completely agree with ausmerican and canaussie. I would also ask... is this the first time you're meeting up in person? If so, maybe you shouldn't worry about getting married right away on your first meeting and just plan a nice holiday spending time together. Then if you still feel the same way, go home and apply for a prospective marriage visa. Yes, I know people fall in love at first sight (I did :lurve: ) and get married during their first real-life meeting and it all works out, but to actually plan it that way is kinda presumptuous IMHO. Get to know eachother in the real world, spend some time together, relax! Just my 2c. Anyway, :cheers: |
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| (kolohe) | May 5 2008, 02:05:34 PM Post #10 |
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Sorry that brings a question up for me then. If it is so okay for illegals to just go to America, not being married to an American, and stay in sanctuary cities etc..Say my husband and I decided to move to America to be closer to his sisters and my family. ( We are not planning that at this time as we love Australia, I am using this as an example). Then why could he not come with me to America on the plane and see how he likes America on the visitor visa and if he does like it we apply for the correct visa? Like I said it is not about us as we love it here. I am using us as an example. Just a thought. He is an Australian citizen and I would love to become one. I am happy it turned out well for you Ausmerican..You brought me to tears thinking about your daughter.
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| shylady | May 5 2008, 02:27:04 PM Post #11 |
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Since Jenn mentioned my name LOL :wave: I agree with Jenn, canaussie, and Tors, it's TOTALLY not a good idea to arrive on an ETA or tourist visa with the intention of getting married. There are too many ways that Immigration and Customs can question you, and decide to put your little arse on a return flight, without you ever even seeing her. Okay, so probably because my fiance (then, now husband) works for Customs, I played it really straight, and "only" visited on 6 ETA trips here, then applied for the Prospective Marriage Visa from the US. But even joking about maybe staying will get you thrown back, all the way back. Just my 2c  Lisa in Perth |
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| lonniegsgirl | May 5 2008, 04:04:56 PM Post #12 |
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ok let me clear some stuff up so sorry guys its getting messed up my fault ok heres the thing we want to get married but yes will spend time together first before we do that which ever way we do it him coming here to au or me going there to usa just there are so many different websites and forums out there thats where we got muddled see some say that there partner come here to au on a holiday/tourist visa and got married i now see that is not the right way to go and yes they just got lucky im not taking a chance and dont want to do the wrong thing at all then some did it the other way they went to usa and got married then they apply for the spouse visa offshore for there partner to come to au and i think thats where we made the mistake and im glad we joined here so we get straight to the point and we do not want to do the wrong thing at all just should thought better before asking instead of thinking hey there all mind readers so im sorry about that but you all are right and thanks for telling it how it is so back to the drawing board will start from the top now we have so much more info thankyou so much everyone its good to see you all feel so strong about this and as a group you all work well have a great day :ta: |
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| shylady | May 5 2008, 04:23:58 PM Post #13 |
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lonnie and girl, I think you're great for ASKING, :hugs: it's WAY too expensive to get turned back by Immigration in EITHER country, and you've got 3 little girls to take care of, so it's not easy! :lurve: |
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| lonniegsgirl | May 5 2008, 04:25:41 PM Post #14 |
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thankyou and your right and we just want to do the right thing for us all and the right way oh and forgot to say he will be coming here to live thanks again |
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| lonnieg | May 5 2008, 04:38:18 PM Post #15 |
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:help: well my girls right and i see everyones point and i want to be patient and do the right things. i don't want to sound like a winer but i'm stuck in the middle of nowhere usa georgia no job can't find one to easy at all unemployment is rising across the board and my car broke. so if i want to move to australia and we want to get married give me some poor man ideas. working visa then apply for something else maybe i don't know see i've barely ever went more than one state away from georgia i'm just a redneck i guess but i'm getting reaaallyy confused. help me out. please ? |
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| shylady | May 5 2008, 04:46:48 PM Post #16 |
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lonnie, I understand. :hugs: A skilled/work visa would be difficult, if you don't have a particular skill, and/or training. How old are you? Have you had any job-training? That's another thing, even if you come over on an ETA or tourist visa, they might ask if you have enough $$$ to support yourself, while you're here (you are NOT allowed to work), and could be turned back by immigration if you don't. |
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| Pamm | May 5 2008, 07:01:45 PM Post #17 |
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What about the working holiday visa? It could be a way to go as you're under 30. I wish I had some useful advice, but I'm just working on getting there myself. Honestly, if I didn't love Jason so much, I'd be throwing in the towel after reading all the visa stuff
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| shylady | May 5 2008, 07:20:10 PM Post #18 |
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Pamm, the Work and Holiday Visa (subclass 462) only will work if Lonnie:
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| lonniegsgirl | May 5 2008, 07:24:20 PM Post #19 |
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thanks for helping yes its so much to take in but we are now looking at all of them its just so many diffrent people have done all sorts of diffrent things but now we are looking at it like this ok we know what we want him to come live here with me and my girls in au ok so now its just looking at both of our situations him there and me here and working on the best way to go it seems everyone on here has done it many diffrent ways we know now we want to make sure it is done right oh and i should say to we are both 28 years old didnt cover that before thankyou again everyone :ta: |
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| Pamm | May 5 2008, 07:54:33 PM Post #20 |
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I actually didn't read too far into the working holiday, Lisa. Saw they cut off at 30 and booed that one, for Jason and I anyways
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