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| Traveling on certain aircraft; Airbus | |
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| Topic Started: Jun 30 2009, 08:26:00 PM (946 Views) | |
| jasperbell_cam | Jun 30 2009, 08:26:00 PM Post #1 |
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I have been in the aircraft industry for awhile and have noticed over the years that there have been plenty of crashes recently (mostly over this year). The straw that breaks the camel's back hit me today is today. I took note of the Air France crash from 3 weeks ago, they are still waiting to recover the black box with the help of the U.S. Navy, French, and Brazilian Navy forces. Today is this a Yemen air crash: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_yemen_plane_crash The Yemen flight was an Airbus A-310 Prior to today the last crash was a French made aircraft: Air France Flight 447 was an Airbus A-330 In Australia: This is a Jetstar flight an Airbus A-330: http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-news/cockpit-fire-forces-jetstar-emergency-landing-in-guam-20090611-c3vo.html Qantas flight QF 68 an A-330: http://www.theage.com.au/travel/qantas-passenger-hits-roof-in-midair-turbulence-drama-20090622-ct05.html Qantas again this time from Singapore to Australia: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Australia-33-People-Hurt-In-Turbulence-That-Forced-Emergency-Landing-Of-Airbus-A330-300/Article/200810115114720 Shortly after 9-11, a Airbus crashed in New York (supposedly) because of a wake of Turbulence from a flight that was ascending in front of it. I still don't buy it. Airbus is a plane that is electronically almost completely electronically controlled. When it was flight tested they were able to fly it without pilots on board. If a pilot turns left then a transmitter sends a signal to a receiver which could be an aileron or a flight control in the wing or vertical stabiliser. If a signal from a cell phone or computer sends of a mis-interpreted signal. The plane goes haywire. Boeing planes from what I understand fly by cables and wires that are much more reliable (what I am used to working on). Here is another point of view from another aircraft engineer: http://www.rationalthoughts.net/2009/06/ill-never-fly-airbus-again-and-this-is.html Personally please take note and do a google search of Airbus (a.k.a Airbust) aircraft before you board an Airbus anywhere. For your own safety. Edited by jasperbell_cam, Jun 30 2009, 08:35:48 PM.
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| suzn | Jun 30 2009, 08:34:18 PM Post #2 |
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I'm travelling on several long distance Airbus planes next week. Some optimism would be appreciated. |
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| jasperbell_cam | Jun 30 2009, 08:36:56 PM Post #3 |
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Sorry.... Not an ego thing for me but just doing some research |
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| MrsHippo | Jun 30 2009, 08:52:54 PM Post #4 |
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Eh... when it's your time to go, it's your time to go. That being said... your chances of being involved in an plane crash are about 1 in 11 million. Media coverage makes it seem like airline crashes happen every day... but studies have shown you would have to fly once a day every day for over 15,000 years in order to statistically be involved in a plane crash. And yet, stories of plane crashes are about 200 times more likely to receive front-page coverage than other more common causes of death. How's this for statistics: http://www.nsc.org/research/odds.aspx Sure, they are a few years old, but these odds suggest you are about 6 times more likely to die from choking than you are from a plane crash. And we aren't all going to stop eating... right? 
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| jasperbell_cam | Jun 30 2009, 09:04:37 PM Post #5 |
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I agree that there is most likely a whole nation of people flying right now as we type these messages to each other. I am not saying not to fly. What I am saying is that there is from an engineering perspective, more chances of crashing on a certain kind of aircraft. Many Boeing aircraft are "fly by wire", electronics that are cable connected, or hard wired. Unlike Separate systems that are not attached to a central computer, would you rather have a well seasoned pilot? or a computer taking away the pilots discretion to fly the aircraft? The point of me putting this post up was not to keep people from flying but to help people have the discretion on what to fly on. |
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| shylady | Jun 30 2009, 09:48:37 PM Post #6 |
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I understand your concern, jasper, I've noticed the record of Airbus, too, but when it came down to $$$, I needed to use 3 of them (out of 9 aircraft in the one trip), on my travels to the US, domestically, and back, earlier this month and last.  (I can't get your link @ rationalthoughts to work, btw) Do you have any suggestions, how to get them out of service or recalled? And I hope YOU won't need to book on any, when you go to the US! Good luck!  Lisa |
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| suzn | Jun 30 2009, 10:52:08 PM Post #7 |
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safety vs. customer service vs. pricing vs. routing vs. airlines vs. aircraft types Many considerations...... I agree 'if your number is up.... then your number is up' but still... with a good handful of flights over the next couple of months, I will try to look on the optimistic side of flying. I don't think it would do my head any good to check this thread again til after all my flights are safely completed. Your good thoughts are appreciated :D |
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| jasperbell_cam | Jul 1 2009, 05:44:17 PM Post #8 |
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I don't know about having them put out of service. I noticed after the last debacle that Qantas had from Japan an Airbus spokesman was quick to respond back about the issues they had on the flight where 33 people got hurt. I am thinking that sooner than later airlines will stop purchasing Airbus and start going with a more reliable air plane. |
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| (gordon38555) | Jul 1 2009, 07:15:02 PM Post #9 |
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Airbus: Head office located in France and was an orginal consortium of France and Germany. Enough said! |
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| provocateur | Jul 1 2009, 07:53:02 PM Post #10 |
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I've just read that there might be calls to ground the Airbus fleet after Air France gets on the podium tomorrow - which is really later today. There's no reason that France or Germany couldn't make a decent aircraft. I think that the problem is what competition has done to minimize costs. The 787 looks like it's posing serious problems for Boeing right now. It's not because they can't make a functioning airplane. |
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| i<3sydney | Jul 1 2009, 08:04:33 PM Post #11 |
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what? sorry, are you saying that boeings are flown by computers and not pilots? sorry if that's not what you meant, but sometimes i'm confused by how you word things. i'm flying on some boeing flights soon.. so now i'm concerned. are boeing better than airbus? |
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| jasperbell_cam | Jul 1 2009, 11:39:34 PM Post #12 |
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Look here: http://www.transair.co.uk/Category.asp?SID=1&Category_ID=583 Try to find a steering column on this aircraft you will find a "Joystick". This joystick goes to a computer. In this computer it puts airspeed, pitch, yaw, roll, plus distance travelled into a computer. The aircraft could ignore the pilot and steer itself according to a computer glitch in the system. Air France went down because of a Pitot tube which would say that indication was the issue (air speed). Qantas had an issue with air turbulence from Japan recently... Another aircraft fell due to a computer issue injuring 30 people "that is still being investigated" (Airbus had a response during this incident) Air France crashed a few weeks ago still looking for the black box...like I said.... This week a plane leaving Yemen had an issue only one child survived. All of these planes are Airbus aircraft..... Please read the links. I am saying before you book with an airline ask them what is being scheduled to fly. If not insist that you want something other than Airbus on your itinerary. Boeing has had a lot less incidents than Airbus. They are recently on the scene. Many parts of the Airbus are made all over Europe. I am not sure if they are made in some third world countries for cost effectiveness, however it seems to me that it is. |
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| i<3sydney | Jul 2 2009, 10:34:24 AM Post #13 |
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that link was all about airbus, not boeing (which i asked about and am flying on) but anyway.. i gather the answer is yes then. anyway.. i've booked flights and i have to fly regardless. there is always a risk for everything i suppose. no point to go bonkers with fear |
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| misatok579 | Jul 3 2009, 08:46:32 AM Post #14 |
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Anyone else having a problem opening up that link - http://www.rationalthoughts.net/2009/06/ill-never-fly-airbus-again-and-this-is.html ? Or is it just me, cause I really want to read that article
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Toni wife to Tye mummy to Marianna and Jonah  Jonah, left, and Marianna on their 1st Birthday - March 7, 2009  
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| i<3sydney | Jul 3 2009, 10:17:25 AM Post #15 |
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well, i can access the page, but the background is all black and no writing is appearing. or maybe it just takes ages to load or something.. but i can't be bothered to wait :P |
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| misatok579 | Jul 3 2009, 10:18:04 AM Post #16 |
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yea that's what happens to me - it loads but no article, just everything else on the page - weird /sigh |
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Toni wife to Tye mummy to Marianna and Jonah Jonah, left, and Marianna on their 1st Birthday - March 7, 2009
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| Judy | Jul 3 2009, 12:17:50 PM Post #17 |
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Well, one more Airbus safely landed: Sally's flight from LAX to Melbourne arrived safely this morning. |
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| shylady | Jul 3 2009, 12:19:16 PM Post #18 |
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YESSSS!!!   Hi Sally! What time does she get to Perth? |
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| Judy | Jul 3 2009, 12:24:19 PM Post #19 |
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1 pm! I'm so nervous/excited... |
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| shylady | Jul 3 2009, 12:34:53 PM Post #20 |
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awwwww 
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"I could’ve turned a different corner, I could’ve gone another place... " ku,'09 | |
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