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| Topic Started: May 11 2011, 04:55:58 AM (1,714 Views) | |
| thebeljur | May 11 2011, 04:55:58 AM Post #1 |
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My husband will be applying for a 457 visa at the end of next year (2012). He's graduating as an R.N. in December 2011, but he wants to work for a year before we try to head over to Australia. (We'll also need that time to save the crack load of money we'll need to move our famiy of six -- lol.) I'm hoping some of you R.N.s who have been through the registration and visa process can help us. This is a rough estimate of our intentions: -- Mid-year 2012 start AHPRA registration process. (I've heard this can take quite a few months.) -- End-year 2012 (assuming he has APHRA registration by then) start applying for nursing jobs. -- Once have job offer, apply for 457 visa. Sound about right? Ahh, seems so simple and straight-forward in theory.  Here are some of our questions: 1. Does is matter which AHPRA capital city office you submit your paperwork to? I mean, sending the registration application to the Perth office doesn't mean one has to work in Perth, right? (It's all nationalized now, correct?) I think I've read that some offices take much longer than others. Any experience or advice with this? 2. How did you find your nursing job in Australia? Advice or recommendations? Did you just contact/apply to all the major hospitals directly or did you use an agency? I'm reading that working for public is better than private (pay wise). Is this true, for say, Queensland? 3. Can you tell us more about going through an agency? Is it guaranteed full-time work? Do you go from place to place within a city or do you stay at one location? Does an agency just help you find a permanent job and then you're not tied to the agency after that? We don't really know anything about working through an agency, so any and all information is extremely helpful. Thank you! 4. Do you think there are nursing jobs available that will sponsor the 457? Really, that is probaby the most important question. I mean, honestly, is getting a job offer, more specifically, a place to sponsor a 457, relatively easy (many available)? How easy/difficult was it for you to get a job offer? How long did it take from searching for job to getting an offer? OK, I think that's all for now. I know we'll have more questions as time goes on. Thanks so much for any direction and advice you can offer! 
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| Pothole | May 11 2011, 08:50:49 AM Post #2 |
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Hi Angela, Some links for you on sponsorship, wages etc for nursing in Australia. As and R.N your husband will have to think about what state he would like to work in as being registered as an R.N in Victoria is different to registration in QLD. I am unsure if this is just a paperwork thing or not though. An agency can find you a short term, long term or permanent positon as well as sponsored positions or save a lot of money and apply directly to the relevent states health department. You are better coming to Queensland and working for QLD Health. *nods* yep honestly with the number of head cases like me up here it has to be the fastest growth industry in the country  A good mate of mine is a Senior Project Officer in QLD Health and after speaking to them on the planned expansions it would be a good place to be in career wise Affinity Agency - An Agency WA Health - Overseas Applicants WA Health Salary Nursing Jobs - Agency, good information and checklist Nurses Australia - Another Agency with good informaton Qld Health - Wages Qld Health - Sponsorship Links to a few nursing organizations Nurses Uncut Australian Nursing Federation Think Nursing Hope some of this you and hubby find interesting Pothole |
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| Yank | May 11 2011, 11:10:41 AM Post #3 |
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Not too sue how the nursing side is, but this is what I went/am going through as a MD. AHPRA - I had to have a job before applying for registration. The hospital had to sponsor the application. The actual AHPRA processed was smooth. My license is "pending", since it will not be active until I present, personally, to the AHPRA office that processed by application with proper ID (100 pts). Visa - I applied via the spouse pathway. I believe the 457 is pretty quick once you get the job and are sponsored. I am sure plenty of others are on here who have gone through that pathway. One caveat, however, is that your Visa (457) is linked to your job. If you leave that job, either voluntarily or voluntarily, you may have to leave the country within 28 days. Might be tough if your kids are in school. Agency - The benefit of using an agency is that they will handle a lot of this stuff for you. They are used to foreign trained RNs and all the requirements to get them there. Agency also pays a higher hourly rate - not sure what happens with superannuation, etc. You can always use an agency, find a more permanent position and apply for a change of employer under your 457. Do you plan on this being a permanent move or just a working holiday? |
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| SNRN2011 | May 11 2011, 01:30:22 PM Post #4 |
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Hi! I am a nurse. I was trained in the US and graduated with my ADN-RN in 2009 and applied for my nursing registration here in 2010. It took about 9 months for my registration to be approved, but that is partially because I applied a few months before they made the switch to AHPRA, so my application got sent back and had to be re-done :P But I finally got it anyway! I'm working with two agencies right now, and honestly, I would rather be working somewhere permanently even though the money is great doing agency work. The hours are not guaranteed and you never know where you are going or how far in advance you are going to get called for work. You also get no training or orientation, so as a new nurse and being in a new country, it has been very difficult adjusting and being thrown in the deep-end. You might also be able to find an agency that can give you a longer-term placement somewhere, but most of the work they have is just day-to-day going to different hospitals. But as far as sponsorships, most agencies will sponsor you for permanent residency. I came in on a work and holiday visa and am applying for my partner visa now, but I think hospitals will also sponsor you if you go through a probationary period. It may be different from hospital to hospital though. I hope that helps some!  If you have any other questions feel free to send me a PM. Good luck to you and your husband! -Sarah |
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| NurseJules | May 11 2011, 08:49:06 PM Post #5 |
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This is actually incorrect. In July 2010 Australia went to a national registration scheme under the AHPRA in which all registered nurses in Australia are now registered under the same governing body. There is no longer any individual state registration. My timeline looked very similar to your plans except in 2007/08. I applied for my license in Sept 2007 (back when it was individual states) and was approved by January 2008. (Keep in mind if you apply around the time that the AHPRA will be re-registering all of it's nurses across the country which falls in May now, then your application may take longer to process. This happened to a friend of mine when she applied back with the Nurses Board of Victoria in December...it took nearly a year to get her registration approved because of a back log) Then I started applying for jobs in January 2008, I received one offer from a hospital straight away, but I wasn't planning on moving until July 2008, and they wanted me to start straight away, so I had to decline the offer. I ended up applying on my own to different hospitals and e-mailing their international recruitment people (most major hospitals have one) and ultimately used a Healthcare recruitment company to land the job I have currently. I'm not sure if they work all over Australia, it might be only limited to Melbourne, but happy to share the name of the company if you want me to PM it to you. I came over to Melbourne in March 2008 and interviewed in person with a few different hospitals. I had a few phone interviews back in California as well, but since I was coming out to visit my boyfriend I decided to interview in person as well. I ended up accepting a job on the same visit and started the 457 paperwork when I returned to the US in April 2008. I was approved by end of May 2008 and started my job in 2008 (they were willing to wait for me for a few months and understood that it would take a little while for my visa stuff). I will say it was heaps easier to apply for jobs already with my license in hand. As far as agencies go, they have their pros and cons. A good friend of mine here originally came from the states and worked on a 457 visa with an agency. In her contract they did have to promise her a certain amount of hours per week (full time). From knowing her experiences here are the: Pros: you can take leave when you feel like it, don't have to ask anyone for a day off, you make your own hours. Lots of variety with working in different areas, hospitals. Way better pay! Cons: no annual leave, sick leave. If you don't work, that's your own time off with no pay. Lots of traveling required if you're going to work full time and you're happy for the agency to send you whereever they find a job for you. Hospitals (at least Private ones) usually get quiet around Easter, Christmas and school holidays, so less shifts available around these times. And as SarahMelb has stated, if you've never worked in Australia before it can be quite a steap learning curve when you're expected to know how to nurse right off the get go with no orientation. Remember, on a 457 the company you work for is required to pay you a minumum amount per year to meet Australia's standards for the visa requirments. I remember I was called the CEO's office of my hospital about 2 months after I started my job because I hadn't worked enough hours to fulfill my requirments and they wanted to make sure I was getting rostered properly since they had to send statements back to the government. It turned out it was their quarterly statement and because I had only worked there for 2 months of course I hadn't worked enough hours, I hadnt worked all of the months of the quarter!  To be honest it took me a good month before I was somewhat comfortable in my surroundings in a permanent job with the new lingo, medications, way of doing things. But it's definitely possible to work agency on a 457 successfully
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| thebeljur | May 13 2011, 09:04:47 AM Post #6 |
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Thanks, everyone, the information is really helpful. I think we are leaning toward Queensland (Gold Coast or Brisbane area). From what I've been reading, it sounds as though there are nursing jobs in that area, so that's good. We have a pretty firm grasp on the process and requirements for the AHPRA registration and 457 Visa. Took days of reading/researching and sifting through tons of information, though.  Agency work doesn't sound too appealing, so I think we're going to focus our energy into finding a permanent hospital-type position.
So, there are recruitment companies who will help you find a nursing job (specifically ones that will sponsor a 457)? And it's not "agency" work? It's a full-time, regular position at one place? Do they charge a fee? Yes, please send me the name of the place you used. Thank you!We're approaching this as a temporary move. We'll just stay for the duration of the 4-year visa. I don't know, though, really. We're very flexible, keep our options open, and roll with the punches -- so, who knows what will happen. I wonder how many people plan on making it a temporary move and end up staying much longer then anticipated? Hmmmmm... 
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| NurseJules | May 13 2011, 10:14:28 AM Post #7 |
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Sent you a PM about the company
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| josetann | May 13 2011, 10:53:21 AM Post #8 |
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It may be difficult to find someone in your exact same situation, because the rules are changing quite a bit. Heck, even info you get now may be outdated by the time you apply. Double-heck, the info we had when we started outdated itself multiple times DURING the process. You MIGHT want to check into the requirements for a 175 visa. Start to finish, it seems to be taking about 18 months (ask me once ours is done...we're on month 16 now). It takes longer than a 457, and it costs more too, but IF you are eligible, it might be the way to go. Here's why: 1) - A 175 visa is a Permanent Resident Visa. You're just one step away from full-blown citizenship. 2) - There's no work restrictions. You and your spouse can work anywhere (you could both work at McDonald's if you so chose). With a 457 you have about a month after quitting/being let go from one employer, to find another to sponsor you. 3) - You'll save money in the long run. As a PR (permanent resident) you get free healthcare. Your kids can go to public schools for free. With a 457, you are REQUIRED to pay for healthcare out of pocket. You'll most likely have to pay for your kids to attend school (public or not). I figured the break-even point for us to be about one year...and that was only looking at healthcare costs. So, as long as we planned to stay at least one year, a 175 visa wouldn't cost any extra. If we stay longer than that, we're saving money. 4) - If you're planning on staying for four years...you'll probably qualify for citizenship. However part of the time (is it a year?) HAS to be as a permanent resident. If you're a PR the second you step off the plane...then that's one less thing to worry about. There are some disadvantages. You'll have to pay quite a bit out of pocket to get the 175 visa (probably over $3,500 for the visa, medicals, background checks, etc.). It's also easier to get the 457. Then there's the timeframe...a 457 can be had in months, a 175 can take 1.5 years or longer (since you're thinking of waiting a year anyway...). Plus, you might not qualify for the 175 (it's a points system) and even if you do now...by the time you can actually apply they may have changed things again (happened to us...we went from having more than enough points, to having the bare minimum). Anyway, here's how the process worked for us. To get the 175 visa, you have to be evaluated by an organization dealing with your profession (for a nurse, that'd be the ANMC). You can't even start the visa process until you have a letter certifying that you are indeed a nurse (or whatever profession). Now, to get the ANMC's seal of approval, an IELTS test was REQUIRED. Basically, you have to pay a couple hundred bucks or so, and waste about a month of your time, to prove to them that you can indeed read, write, speak, and understand english. So step 1 would be to find an IELTS test site in your area (note, there's not a test site in every state!). Actually, step 1 might be to have a passport...I know it was asked for, not sure how required it was...we already had ours though. Book the test. Take the test. Wait an extra week or so to get confirmation that you are proficient in english. Take the time waiting for all that, to get everything ready to send to the ANMC (copy of diploma, nurse license, letter from state board saying you're a nurse, your college transcripts, etc.). Wait to get a letter back from the ANMC saying they need something else (such as, a letter written a very specific way explaining why you don't have the very first nurse license the state issued you, but you do have a current one). Finally get notice that you've been approved. Don't wait to receive the actual letter, go ahead and start the application for your 175 visa (you cannot apply until the ANMC gives you the letter...what matters is the date on the letter from the ANMC, not the actual date you received it). Ok, deep breath and....curse like a sailor when you see the notice that 175 visas have been temporarily suspended while they completely rework the entire process. Like, you just missed it by a day. Scream, yell, cry, whatever you need to do. Now, wait a month and a half, and try to apply the second it's July 1st, 12AM, Australia time. Keep refreshing the page until the system is finally online (this will take many hours, of course). Go "crap" when it asks you if you ever served in the military, as this means you need documentation you don't have with you (but don't worry...no one will bother looking for almost a year, you have plenty of time). Keep updating the site with documents as you get them (i.e. the aforementioned military discharge paperwork...which I don't have anything on file because I wasn't in long enough, but I did scan in the paperwork saying that). Wait over 8 months before you get an email saying to expect a CO in another three months, and giving you the go-ahead to get your background checks and medicals done. As for getting the actual nurse license...it was pretty easy for us (well, for my wife), but again, things have changed quite a bit. We just had the packet from the ANMC sent directly to Darwin (because, well, it was the cheapest AND she didn't have to be there in person). Then got word back that a new employer reference letter would be required. Of course...it's hard to get an actual reference letter here in the US, because of liability issues and what-not (manager said sure, but HR said no way). That was easily worked around...because she actually works with an agency, we had her recruiter write the letter. Now, he couldn't put down that he watched her work as a nurse and cite areas she was proficient in and what-not...but he was able to say that she represented the company well, and that she had just had her contract extended (our thinking was...if she was extended, then the hospital must not think she's a bad nurse, right?). Anyways, it worked, and she got her nurse license in the Northern Territory about a week before it transitioned to the National Scheme. I'm not sure what the process would be now. We haven't tried too hard to find her a job yet, but it looks like it'll be more difficult than for most nurses. She's an L&D nurse...and in Australia you need to be a midwife to do most of what she does (L&D, post-partum, recovery, etc.). She signed up with the Work for Us program in Queensland...she got a few leads, but pretty much everyone was wanting her to work a different unit (even when told she wanted to work in maternity, they'd ask if she was willing to work in any other area). Rural areas are pretty much out for her, we're going to start checking directly with some of the larger hospitals soon. If you're looking at Queensland, and aren't trying to work in a unit that doesn't use many RNs, I'd give Work for Us a look. It's kinda like having a recruitment company working for you, they do all the legwork, you pretty much give a yay/nay. Reminds me of working with travel agencies here in the US...if a position pops up that you're a match for, they contact you to give you the details...if you're interested they'll get the two of you (you and the person doing the hiring) together...if not then they just keep looking. Edited by josetann, May 13 2011, 02:14:37 PM.
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| NurseJules | May 13 2011, 01:31:43 PM Post #9 |
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Just to avoid confusion, Josetann I think you're referring to a 457 temporary visa, not a 475? I was lucky enough to get my 175 permament residency application in before they started the suspension. Mine only took 6 months for approval. However, keep in mind if you start out on a sponsorship with a particular company on a 457 temporary work visa, your company or hospital may be willing to sponsor you for permanent residency, which usually only takes about 4 months to be approved. (This usually requires that you pledge a certain amount of time that you will continue to work for your company, which is why I decided to do the permanent residency myself with a 175 visa). My hospital sponsors people usually after 3 months of work (which is typically your first appraisal to make sure you're fulfilling your job requirements). Edited to add: There have been others here who have started on 457 work visas and successfully gained permanent residency through their employers...the ones I can think of are in non-nursing, but it would be a similar process And here is my timeline for the 175 for nursing, just to give you an idea: http://yanksdownunder.net/topic/8578369/1/#new But as Josetann has said, since July 2010 they have changed the process a bit due to the government changing the amount of skilled migration visas they will approve every year. This seems to change everytime there is a new party that takes over the government. (Immigration is a pretty hot political topic in Australia, especially when it comes to skilled workers). Just another option to think about. Edited by NurseJules, May 13 2011, 01:39:40 PM.
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| josetann | May 13 2011, 02:24:09 PM Post #10 |
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Yes, I went back and edited all the 475s to 457s. So many numbers.... Things are constantly changing...but if it was me, in this situation, I'd check out both visas. You might not have enough points to do a 175...maybe you'd run into an issue where you don't have enough experience yet (wasn't an issue for my wife, she has a good number of years of nursing experience). And whichever you went for, the rules may change between now and then. Once you put in the application for the actual visa, that freezes the rules (so any future changes shouldn't affect you...just the rules in place at the time you lodged the application). So...even if you started for a 175 visa now, by the time you can actually apply you may no longer qualify. But you would already have gotten the ok from the ANMC, which would make it that much easier to get your nursing license (I THINK you have to go through the ANMC if you're an overseas nurse wanting to get registered...but don't quote me on that). It wouldn't make getting a 457 any harder if you fell back on that option. Then again...if you can apply for the 175 now, you wouldn't have to worry about any future changes to get a 457...ouch, my head's starting to hurt. Oh, and while I think it's probably a good idea to get a year's experience in first...it might not hurt to put a few feelers out anyways. Who knows, he might get hired/sponsored right away? |
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| thebeljur | May 18 2011, 08:14:22 AM Post #11 |
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Hi, Josetann -- I can totally see the point in applying for the 175 Visa; however, we just won't have enough points for it. We can't even do the state sponsored 176 Visa because my husband will need to have 5 years of related (nursing) work experience to qualify for that Visa. Ah well, 457 it is! Still wondering how easy/difficult it's going to be to find a sponsor... I guess we'll find out when the time comes to shoot out applications. Josetann -- keep me updated on your wife's job offers when your time gets closer. On a side note, we're now exploring the Sunshine Coast. I'm still really drawn to green, tree-filled, hilly areas. I've heard it's a bit boring up there, though. Don't know how I feel about that. Good or bad? I don't know. I mean, we're not old, retired snoozers or anything (lol). We're 35-years-old with four kids, and we're a bit eccentric, so I wouldn't say we're ready to sit around or anything. But I am fond of the outdoors, laid back lifestyle, though. Having said that, I'd still like to be somewhat close to a metro-type area.We'll figure it out. Thanks, again, for everyone's direction! |
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| josetann | Jul 18 2011, 03:59:47 PM Post #12 |
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Wife called them up, basically they didn't want her because she has no experience in Australia. Which is odd, since they have a dedicated page for Overseas Nurses. Just a heads up...and if anyone finds out otherwise, I'd appreciate if you let me know. I was asked to give an update once our job search started. So far, we've struck out with two different agencies (one, called MediRecruit, doesn't deal with nurses?). Sent an email to another hospital that had a dedicated page for International Nurses, but was told to use the regular job search instead (which only has a listing for graduate nurses). Haven't heard back from another agency we've been talking with, and haven't heard back from Work For Us in Queensland, but it's still Day 1; can't get too discouraged yet. |
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| Pothole | Jul 18 2011, 05:32:02 PM Post #13 |
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Hey mate, Sorry to hear that.........that is pretty weird with the Affinity mob. Wish you all the best of luck and something turns up for you. |
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| NurseJules | Jul 18 2011, 06:32:36 PM Post #14 |
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Josetann, you can always try a search on a website like seek.com or careerone.com and apply directly through the listings...a lot of the nursing vacancies do say they are open to overseas applicants. for example, this was the very first listing when I did a search for general nurses in QLD: http://www.seek.com.au/Job/nurses-medical-and-surgical/in/sunshine-coast-sunshine-coast/20154097 Now that you have your visa, you have legal work rights in Australia, so you can make that clear on your application that you will not be requiring sponsorship. |
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| josetann | Jul 19 2011, 03:38:15 AM Post #15 |
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It just seems that perhaps it'd be easier if we didn't have everything lined up...i.e. my wife emails/calls and says "I'm a nurse in the US, I'm interested in your international nursing program" then you may get a bit of hand-holding; you'd definitely get a job lined up if you required sponsorship. Saying "I'm a registered nurse in Australia and have my permanent resident visa" either gets you a no, or a "check this job search site we have" which is geared toward people already in Australia. But...no worries! Just relaying our experience so far. I didn't expect to have a job lined up this quickly, but also didn't expect a run-around because we're over-prepared. |
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| josetann | Jul 19 2011, 03:44:54 AM Post #16 |
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The link you gave directs you to the Work For Us website; don't worry, my wife is registered through that site. Had a good experience last year when she was registered (and thought the visa process would go quicker). She's willing to try a range of different specialties now (vs last year when she was determined to stay in maternity...I think she's starting to burn out on L&D now), so I don't think it'd be that hard to find something. As always, thanks for the help. |
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| Pothole | Jul 19 2011, 01:02:00 PM Post #17 |
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You could also try this place Nursing Careers Allied Health |
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| josetann | Jul 19 2011, 04:39:42 PM Post #18 |
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HealthStaff Recruitment is another no-go, especially if you have registered with any other agency (i.e. Work For Us in QLD) and/or are extremely flexible in location. Go figure! Long story, won't bore anyone. We'll keep trudging along, and I'll update everyone with how it goes. I'm confident we'll find something...and maybe the info will help someone else. |
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| josetann | Aug 12 2011, 06:04:39 PM Post #19 |
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Ok, if you're an L&D nurse, be prepared to explain over and over and over again (and over and over and over...) that you are NOT a midwife. Had someone from Work For Us contact my wife, asking if she'd be interested to work in a certain hospital in the midwifery unit. She replies she's interested, but is not a midwife (short, sweet, to the point). Apparently her info was forwarded on, and someone from the hospital sends a long email and this is in it: "As you would already know you will need AHPRA registration with endorsement as a midwife to work in Australia." Ack! So she replied AGAIN that she's not a midwife, though she has worked in all those units. Not a big deal...but I'm worried peoples' time are being wasted because this very important piece of info is not getting relayed. On a related note, I think we've found a program that will let her get her midwife endorsement in a year. She spoke with someone at the university who is in charge of the program and confirmed that she would be eligible (just need some documents notarized...plenty of time to do that since enrollment won't be until Sept/Oct). She could work in the special care unit part-time until she had her midwife endorsement. Fingers crossed, I'll update when it's a bit more official. |
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| josetann | Sep 15 2011, 12:35:01 PM Post #20 |
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Final update. Work for Us sent multiple emails, but my wife never heard from anyone at the hospital. Supposedly they were interested in her at the Cairns and Townsville hospitals, I guess we'll never know? Maybe if she'd stayed on top of them more (only sent 2-3 emails checking on the status)...but she wasn't too concerned yet. So anyways, we kept looking and she applied for two different positions (as in, actually filling out the forms, sending a cover letter, etc.). One was for a student midwife position. About a month and a week later, she got the offer. Only hurdle left is to enroll in the university, which shouldn't be a problem (already called and confirmed she'd be eligible; just need to send some notarized documents proving she's a nurse, has worked as a nurse, etc.). |
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